> It is okay if the are removed. > > I was just saying you do not need to remove them. > > It is the wires on the bottom of the MOBO that you do not want to > touch. I must be thinking backwards? The cardcage isn't on the bottom of the mobo? IIRC, it's on the underside of the board when installed...? It's on the opposite side as the RAM slot, right? Gene Osburn I can't brag about the shape I'm in - I can't sing, I ain't pretty and my legs are thin; but don't ask me what I think of you - I might not give the answers that you want me to. Oh well....