They are all over the place. MDD (not MCC) stands for the model name "Mirrored Drive Doors" and PM stands for Power Mac. Here's a good place to get one with some free 256 MB of RAM thrown in: <http://www.generalcybernetics.com/AppleStore/powermac.html> Scroll down. It's on the bottom center. A lot of mail order houses have been caught flat footed with a lot of FW800 inventory or even old MDD inventory from last year and are still trying to sell the same or similar config for $2400 or more. The MDD boots in 9 and includes 2MB L3 cache on each 1.25 GHz processor unlike the newer FW800 model that only boots X and has only a 1 MB L3 cache and still sells for $2400 at mail order houses. kunga10 (AIM) "iChat AV, The Killer App" <http://www.osx-zone.com> "We're Looking At A Long Period of Labor 'til January" <http://www.apple-zone.com> "Verax MDD-FW800 Silence Kit Kills Almost All The Noise" <http://www.apple-zone.com> "iPod Software 2.0.1 Update Released" <http://www.ipod-zone.com> On Wednesday, July 16, 2003, at 09:36 AM, Tom Dayton wrote: > Kunga, > > Could you tell me what MCC and PM's stands for? I'm stupid today... > > Where are you seeing these computers that are priced at $1599? > > Tom > >> From: Kunga <Kunga at FutureMedia.org> >> Reply-To: "Power Macintosh G4 List" <G4 at lists.themacintoshguy.com> >> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:50:17 -0700 >> To: "Power Macintosh G4 List" <G4 at lists.themacintoshguy.com> >> Subject: Re: [G4] G4--prices? >> >> "New" single 1.25 GHz w/1MB L3 cache MDD PMs are $1299 and dual 1.25 >> GHz w/2MB L3 cache MDD PMs are $1599. Both models boot OS 9. Apple did >> a flip-flop on OS 9 booting. Both "new" models are based on 2002 >> motherboards.