If past history and the rumor mill are any indication, the first generation 970's will be: 1. only incrementally faster than the current generation of G4's as long as they run a 32-bit OS (Jaguar), 2. unable to take advantage of the 64-bit architecture of the 970, unless Panther is released well before the autumn target date, 3. unable to take advantage of the possible speed boost from 64-bit until 64-bit-savvy applications are available (hence Apple's manic drive to get developers to the WWDC), and 4. pretty sad compared with the _following_ generation of machines. The best rule of thumb for buying new <any kind of computer> is, what do you need _now_? If you need more speed/bandwidth/storage/whatever now, buy now. If it can wait for n* 6 months, there will be a new generation of machines out every 6 months. Diatribes about faster internal communication, better use of DDR memory bandwidth, 8X AGP slots, PCI-X, and other features that won't affect real work flow significantly can be directed to /dev/null. Joe Gurman -- "I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they go by." - Douglas Adams, 1952 - 2001 Joseph B. Gurman, NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Solar Physics Branch, Greenbelt MD 20771 USA