I just checked the NewEgg.com site. The DVR-111D's are less than $32 !!! http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?DEPA=0&type=&Description=Pioneer+DVD+burner&Submit=ENE&N=0&Ntk=all&Go.x=0&Go.y=0 ======================================== www.patchburn.de Also, check out the pricing at newegg.com. Usually, you can get the latest model (which, by now, may be DVR-111 or at least DVR-110) for between $40 and $50. That's where I have bought many an opeical drive which I replaced serially in my Quicksilver as the newer ones came out. --Steve At 4:27 PM -0400 10/14/06, James Asherman wrote: >Since you are un-Tigered, you need PATCHBURN. >I don't have the link handy. sorry.