See, that is the kind of thing I'm talking about. Suffice it to say (I really don't want to revisit the 9/OSX thing) I don't use OSX yet either because of bad experiences with it. When I either remove them or get replacements I'll dive into OSX. Not only that, but don't all three programs come with multiple programs too? I'd really rather just buy replacements. << Yes, and no? While it is tidy to remove all that extra stuff, it usually does not interfere with other software, and so it is not absolutely necessary to remove it. Kernel extensions are one exception... >>