At 9:31 AM -0800 2/22/03, Charles J. Thompson wrote: >That is true in the context of Apple's implementation of Jaguar, but Tinkertool enables you to put the dock at the top of the screen (under the menu bar), which essentially gets rid of it while still allowing windows to be minimized into the dock. I haven't seen the dock in weeks, but I'm still using it. Cocktail (currently freeware) positions the dock at the top of the screen, and performs a host of other utility functions for OS X. <http://www2.dicom.se/kristofer/english.html> -- Regards, Steve (is tv wake zone?)