>Unfortunately that is what I meant: the hide and show. It does not >happen frequently (at least for me) to be with the cursor on the >last pixels of my screen estate where the Dock is hiding. How on earth do you manage that? Example: Eudora opens new windows at full screen height. If I want to resize I need to go to the bottom of the screen. So I just give the mouse a good push and it's there. It's way too much work too move slowly, sloooowwly, slooooooowwwwlllly to exactly the right pixel without overshooting. >If you want it permanently (how *permanently* can be *more or less* >? ;-) ) invisible than you need an AppSwitcher to start applications >(so not to have the desktop cluttered with icons), something a la LaunchBar or DragThing. Yep. I use those two. DragThing has its apps dock open, which i use to switch between open apps, and I use LaunchBar for opening new stuff. I could live without DragThing, but I've used it for years, so it's kinda what I'm used to. Additionally I have DefaultFolder to take me to favourite or recent places in the Open dialog. Between those, and sometimes just opening Finder windows and using Find as a last resort, I don't need the Dock. Ok, it's a pity of those cute dock apps, but that's the sacrifice I'll make for living with a whole lot less irritation. -- Victor Eijkhout <eijkhout at cs.utk.edu> tel: 865 974 9308 (W), 865 673 6998 (H), 865 974 8296 (F) http://www.cs.utk.edu/~eijkhout/