Actual number you asked? actual numbers you are given. At the Lab I am currently am (CERN-Geneva) the the following looks close to the actual situation: active Macs 1155 Windows NT 537 Windows 95 1435 Windows 2000 3616 Total Windows: 5588 Linux 2795 Of the Linux machines, 1488 are locked up in farms and I think we can argue that they are not to be included in the PC user arguments. I don't know how many windows machines are similarly locked up in as servers (for example, the ones handling the dial-in modems should certainly not count) but there are quite some So we have a distribution of Windows 5588- 70% Linux 1307 16% Mac 1155- 14% Macs are up roughly 2% from pre-OS X. One experiment decided to go OS X: many units are being ordered. Another is actively increasing the support for it and ensure its sw will run on OS X as well. Lawrence Livermore has since last year official support for OS X and purchase plan with Apple. Lawrence Berkeley is following and a recent platform survey recommends expanding the use of Linux and OS X and reduce the presence of Windows machines. Lawrence Berkeley now has again (after years it was dropped) a certified in-house Certified Apple repair unit and this in part because of the increased numbers of OS X machines around. I will ask our MUG President in case he has numbers of the growth at the lab and post again. MIT fully supports OS X. Looks also at these 2 links for example: http://www.macosxlabs.org/index.html and http://web.mit.edu/is/help/macos/macosx/macos10.2/ I have a personal count of 10 (that is TEN) colleagues who switched to Mac in the last year and a half (all TiBooks) and one more today (so the count is really 11) which has now ordered the new 17" display AlBook, To me these are not wishful thinking: it is something I have NEVER HAVE SEEn HAPPEN BEFORE! And again: at seminars and workshops the number of TiBooks (soon AlBooks?, well at least one!) is definitely no more irrelevant in the audience. Henry, you are not in a different planet, maybe simple in the wrong field ;-) Cheers On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 07:35 PM, PowerBook G4 Titanium List wrote: > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:21:44 -0500 (EST) > From: Henry Kalir <kalirhe at UMDNJ.EDU> > Subject: Re: [Ti] Market Share: 2.3% -- That's NOT good press > Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.10.10301221314160.10150-100000 at njmsa.umdnj.edu> > > > >>> This is why I see more and more Macs in >>>> the scientific and academic community: they are just popping out as >>>> mushrooms. >> >> Got any numbers for this? >> -Joel > > I must be living on a different planet...All I see is *formerly* all > Mac > Departments switching to PCs. In my former university - I had to > *insist* > on a Mac...and got a 7100 leftover... > > Now - I've not even been asked...there's a Dell with a "pentium 4" on > my > desk... > > I don't think we're going to see any numbers for these kind of "wishful > thinking arguments" Joel...anymore than we'll get to know Peter Pan's > age... > -- Massimo Marino NERSC Division - HPC Department Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory http://www.slac.stanford.edu/~marino On leave at CERN, CH, EP Division, Atlas experiment phone: (+41) 22 767-1288 fax: (+41) 22 767-8350 Office: 40-3-D16 alternate email: marino at slac.stanford.edu, marino at mail.cern.ch, Massimo.Marino at cern.ch