Listers: Just to add to the woes, the "SecUpd2005-004" has an issue that affects users with multiple accounts. Any standard, or managed accounts will not be able to log in after this update is installed. I don't how many of this list will be affected as for the most part, we are all single (Admin) users on our powerbooks. I just thought that I would post it here as some of you (like me) may have kids with managed or standard accounts using your laptop, or a desktop system back at home. Symptoms: 'Standard' or 'Managed' user tries to log in and never gets beyond the first screen with the horizontal spinning Barber Pole. The simple fix, until the apple engineers release a patch, is to turn any 'Standard' or 'Managed' accounts into 'Admin' accounts in System Preferences/Accounts. Hope this saves someone out there some agony. Peet H. Peet Foster-Design 32 Bramble Lane Riverside, CT 06878 (917)975-3731 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 982 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/titanium/attachments/20050422/fd9c3af7/attachment-0001.bin