On Saturday, December 14, 2002, at 01:00 PM, David B. Holton wrote: > I'm quite sure it has to do with Classic, since I don't seem to get the > message if Classic isn't running. But that's rare, since I have it set > to > start at login. > > AND, sometimes I actually have to go in and manually stop Classic > before I > can shut down at all. > > Any ideas what might be the actual cause? And fix? While not > debilitating, > this is rather annoying. I"ll start by saying one of the first things the OS has to do when you tell it to shut down is quit all open applications. If, for some reason, it can't quit one of them because that application has frozen or has an open file with unsaved changes, or has something else going on that requires user feedback, the shut down process will time out. The same thing can happen if some application simply takes too long to quit. Now, IIRC, when you tell OS X to shut down, it gives the "quit" message to Classic, which first has to quit all the applications it has running, before it can quit itself. Sometimes this process simply takes too long (depending on the Classic applications you have running) and you get a shut down error. When you tell OS X to shut down again, Classic has been working on quitting its applications since the first command, so its less likely to run out of time the second time through. If Classic is freezing/crashing anywhere in the process, then you may need to manually Force-quit it before shutting down. The bottom line is there may not be a fix. I'd pay attention to what applications are running in Classic before shutting down to see if there's one that's causing the trouble. The other thing to do is to quit most/all of your Classic applications before shutting down to see if that fixes the problem (if not it's probably something in Classic itself). -Mike