On Wednesday, November 12, 2003, at 06:02 AM, Many Mac OS X Newbies wrote a lot!: WOW! Where does one begin to respond to all the replies? Thanks to everyone for their input. Enough said about Norton products: They work, they do a good job, but DON'T load Norton apps onto your hard drive(s). I do need to do be a good citizen and make sure that files I receive and then pass on to others are not infected with a virus, hence the need for OSX "virus-protection." Dare I admit to you all, that I don't have a second hard drive to use for backup purposes. Hey, I'm a preschool teacher! With my "salary," food, shelter and medical costs come first, then computer needs, then the wife and kid. I backup mission critical files to CDR. A 160 GB EZQuest Cobra HD at 208.00 is on the list for the next go-around of computer expenditures. I have been told that optimizing a drive (with OSX on it) with the OS9 version of Norton is not a good thing. True? Hence the need for a OSX version. I've read in several places that OSX (10.2.8 and earlier), is a nasty OS for fragmenting a drive. I am at the point where I can't install large apps like Photoshop 7 or InDesign - they crap out in the middle of the install process, saying they can't finish the install because there isn't enough room, yet I have 4 gigs of room left! Drive 10 is seventy bucks and doesn't include virus protection. Norton SystemWorks 3.0 for Mac is 80.00 (with a fifty dollar rebate factored in). I hate counting beans, but I don't have the luxury of a large war-bank. Thanks again for your input! Paul Pismo 256ram 10.2.8 (6R73)