As the one who started the discussion about making sure information is either "correct" or is a guess (educated or otherwise), I think the back-and-forth has had value. As Steve points out with his ironic comment, it's silly for new users to blindly accept all advice, as traveling that road has significant danger. I think Jane understands that it is important to be a bit more clear in her communications. And I've learned that flame wars can certainly take on a life of their own! Now let's get back to helping new users learn to use their Macs safely and effectively. And on that note, there does appear to be a new security threat associated with Safari, where downloading a "safe" file that actually hides a certain type of shell script can lead to the shell script automatically running. A malicious shell script could do all sorts of bad things, like, say, erasing your whole user directory. I'd say that this is probably a fair bit worse than the Oompa Loompa worm. I would expect Apple to address this fairly quickly, but in the meantime would suggest that everyone turn off "Open "safe" files after downloading" option in the General Pane of Safari preferences. Then check the file information for the downloaded file before opening it. In the case of a sample exploit, the filename indicates that the file is a picture; however, under file preview in Column View in the Finder, the file is described as a Unix Executable File. This exploit can also occur with Mail.app, but there is not an easy fix for that at this point. <http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/69862> for more information. Norm --- Norman A. Cohen nacohen at mac.com "The enemy is anybody who's going to get you killed, no matter which side he's on." Joseph Heller On Feb 21, 2006, at 12:06 PM, Steven Rogers wrote: > Yes, its such a pedantic waste of time to bother with > distinguishing between right and wrong advice. Newbies should get > over their computer anxiety and just follow what they read without > getting all up-tight about so-called "correct" information.