I was the first person that replied to the original question. Part of my posting included mention of StarDict, which requires going through the process of installing X11 and in my case, Fink. It is true that the command line underpinnings of OS X are not really "newbie", but on the other hand, it is part of the underpinnings of OS X. I simply voiced my opinion on what I personally consider to be the "best" albeit more complicated solution. The reality of the matter is that there isn't much software out there for people who work in a number of languages and would like to have some sort of electronic reference to jog the memory. Unfortunately, as of yet Apple has not done much with the multilingual potential of Dictionary.app, despite the multilingual underpinnings of OS X already being in place for localization. This is a vast improvement to having to purchase a seperate "langauge kit" for each language, as multilingual users had to do under OS 9. As far as I am concerned, the "problem" with "too much *NIX" discussion began when there was an interjection about the benefits of MacPorts versus Fink. This isn't the first time that I have experienced this on the list. While I am sure that the person was well meaning, there is a tinge of evangelizing that quickly creeps into the postings. I happen to use Fink, but I don't have any strong opinions on the pros and cons of either or and therefore I have not replied to those postings. I think the discussion of the pros and cons could be an interesting discussion, but doesn't necessarily belong here. It could instead be taken over to the MaX List, where there would be more input. It would probably be enough for this list to know that it appears the Darwin developers have closed shop to protest Apple's lack of support for open source development and porting from Linux to the Mac. This issue is of concern to everyone on the list and may in reality be at least part of the reason that the MacPorts versus Fink interjection occurred. Perhaps a bit of frustration? This would be perfectly understandable as the install base for this seems to be shrinking and maybe an increase in vying for the few users that delve into the *NIX underpinnings of OS X? Cheers, Brian On 11/5/06, Al Poulin <alpoulin at cox.net> wrote: > I usually do not join in on "off topic" discussions such as this one. > But here I will. This thread went off topic when someone complained > about the UNIX flavor of answers to a purely legitimate NEWBY question. <snip>