On 13 Feb, 2004, at 04:27, peter boardman wrote: > William H. Magill <magill at mcgillsociety.org> said on 12/2/04, 4:15 > pm (-0500 GMT): >> One last point -- your "borrowed" machine is pretty typical of >> far too many "enterprise" based machines. It was probably not >> "up to rev" with the latest Microsoft patches. > > I think what happened was that when the machine was upgraded to > XP, the virus protection software was disabled (temporarily or > permanently I don’t know). Virus protection is only a small part of the problem and probably not applicable. I'm talking about the fact that something like 90% of the Windows systems out there never get Microsoft Patches applied in a timely manner! Even Microsoft itself has complained about this problem. [This was what took down both Philadelphia and Maryland -- they believed their firewalls would protect them and therefore never needed to apply the updates!] Also, if your initial description is correct -- that this was a worm and and not an email virus -- then the virus protection software would have accomplished nothing. It would have been looking at all of the wrong things. [A lot of so-called "worms" are really based upon email activity, but REAL Worms are not. And REAL Worms do exist.] REAL Worm exploits are made by direct connection to a particular port on the Windows machine and executing/exploiting some "known hole." Only by patching that hole, closing those ports, or (sometimes) with some kind of firewall protection, is that direct connection avoided. Note that this is true also of virtually all Unix attacks. If your FTP daemon is bad and you allow FTP traffic on your system and through your firewall... duh ... The "media" have done a wonderful job of blurring the distinctions between worms, email virus and the like. A worm is just code that executes on a host, independent of the host, and (usually) propagates itself. How it gets there and how it propagates itself are usually part of its own code, but not necessarily. A virus on the other hand is dependent upon some agent, usually email, for propagation. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a # XP1000 - [Alpha EV6] magill at mcgillsociety.org magill at acm.org magill at mac.com