On 19 Feb, 2004, at 09:37, Alex wrote: > On Wednesday, Feb 18, 2004, at 19:31 Canada/Eastern, Barry Lyden wrote: > >> It has been my experience that many new after-market drives include >> such tools. [...] > > For instance? Silverlining from LaCie. FWB's Hard Disk tool kit. Apple's HD Utility. ... except that they all only run on OS 9. In *BSD there are a couple of utilities for different types of media: fdformat - format floppy disks fdwrite - format and write floppy disks sformat - SCSI disk formatting/partitioning/analysis/repair utility The basic reason that Apple does not include a low-level format routine any more is the size of the disk drives. A low-level format takes HOURS for large disk drives. And if you abort it part way through, until you run it again to completion, that drive is useless. Most users do not have the patients to do it, and cause more trouble than they resolve. [The last time I did one was on my old 9600 and it ran for 18 hours on, what by today's standards, is a "small" drive.] There is an outside chance that the new Drive 10 or TechTool Pro4 does the deed, but I don't know off hand. Also, drives have a "known" bad-track list which is determined by the factory and must be applied when any new low-level format is accomplished. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a # XP1000 - [Alpha EV6] magill at mcgillsociety.org magill at acm.org magill at mac.com