[X4U] OT: Question on cross posting and copyright infringement

[Richard Gilmore]

On 20/6/06 10:47 AM, "Linda" <XPressoBean at mac.com> wrote:

> On 6/20/06 9:19 AM, Richard Gilmore wrote:
> 
>> Aren't we going to create a "climate of fear" by breaking down copyright to
>> the point where even someone quoting something from an /email list/ sent to
>> another has to worry about what they're doing?
> 
> How do you figure? It's always been against copyright to copy things out of
> books and newspapers and magazines without permission; why didn't that
> create a "climate of fear"? Why should the Internet be treated differently
> than the media to which you've been accustomed all your life? It isn't!

It is. Because you can cut and paste with stroke of key. And edit it and lay
it out with software and repackage it to make it look perfect. With paper
you have to really physically cut and paste with glue and photocopy. And
people have done that and people everywhere still are. I've seen numerous
numerous pieces of collage art made this way and in the pre desktop
publishing time I saw lots of cranks making their own wacky publications
this way. Nobody's gone after them because the product looked like a
collage. It's raw material copyright or not. Stop them. It's analogous to
digital vs. analog re-recording.


> 
>> I will quote with impunity cry all you want.
> 
> Go back and read my post; QUOTING is not the question, and not what's being
> discussed. QUOTING is not the issue.
> 
>> You post anything on the internet you make an adult
>> decision otherwise don't do it.
> 
> No, that's not the case.
> 
> If I decide to post on a Yahoo group, I do so with the knowledge of Yahoo's
> Terms of Service, which I assume that other group members agree to abide by
> since they clicked the I AGREE button when they signed up for the group.
> 
> If I post on CE-L, I do so knowing that the List Rules prohibit forwarding
> messages outside the list. Again, I assume that the other list members agree
> to abide by that rule since they had to click I AGREE to join.
> 
> I make the decision where to place my words. No one has the right to re-post
> my words somewhere that I didn't choose to put them in the first place.
> 
> I'm sure when you signed up for your internet service, you signed something
> that said I AGREE to not use this service for illegal activities. Flaunting
> the terms of services of various email lists would be in violation of the
> agreement that you signed with your ISP. Quote with impunity all you want --
> no one has a problem with that -- but be careful forwarding someone's words
> somewhere that THEY did not make the decision to place them.
> 
> All I said was that you need to check the rules of the list you're
> considering forwarding. I should have added to that, simply respect your
> fellow list mates.

I respect them. I respect you. But just because you hit the "I AGREE" button
doesn't change anything. People are still going to do it and what are the
consequences? Mostly none. If, if they get caught and if someone complains
the worst that can happen is they get kicked off the list. They can go to
another in seconds flat. And then the deed is done. People will do it and
there's nothing you or anyone can do to stop them. You only make the
decision to post on the internet after that it's up for grabs. Say it's
ain't so.


Richard