That's the reason I still wait for SL. I'm happy with 10.5.8. Everything works. I read to many problems on the net. There was no system in their Mac. It's indeed weird that I was refused to startup with. But it's also weird that the retail 10.5.2 version I bought from Apple not will work on my Mac Pro. It makes this 160 euro useless. One get second thoughts when one buy something from Apple. SL will have to wait for a very long time. Not my money right now. Paul Moortgat On 10 Feb 2010, at 17:26, zapcat wrote: > I find it wierd and a bit dumb if currently-shipping machines can > ONLY load Snow Leopard, since SL simply is not production-ready yet. > > For some people, perhaps, but this isn't like going from tiger to > leopard; this is a significant under-the-hood change and lots of > apps and tools do not work in SL. > > to me it seems dumb for apple to ship a computer which is essential > crippled to some degree until x-number of months until apps and > drivers are updated/made to work. > > Is there no way to shoehorn regular Leopard onto a new Mac? > > I personally can't WAIT to be full time in Snow Leopard, but at the > mo...just too many deficits for it to be other than a novelty. > > zc