Whilst I AGREE that some UK retailers are marking up their US-sourced products a little too much, doing a straight dollar-pound/euro conversion isn't exactly fair on them either. Any retailer that sells a US-sourced product has to import them into their country to sell, and as such are subject to import duties - in much the same way UPS or FedEx pass them onto us when we buy from the US - plus the shipping costs etc. Obviously they can't get a "mate" to ship them 100 units privately as "gifts". Import duties vary according the classification of the product and (I believe) you have to have a license to do it, so it's quite easy to see how a $100 product can turn into a £200 product when you're only dealing with a few hundred units. It's also worth stating that a privately shipped "gift" comes with no warranty either. All that said, I'm still disappointed that the larger dealers - Cancom, MacWarehouse et al are not passing volume discounts to us, as they must be importing a great deal of products and the costs of importing can be amortised over this great number of products as opposed to one specific product type that a smaller specialist dealer may choose to import. Just my 2cents. I'm watching the 1.2 prices like a hawk myself and will pounce when either my resolve gives up, or they drop below £500 from a UK supplier Tom On 6/3/03 8:49 am, "Meirion Roscoe" <roscoe at macunlimited.net> wrote: > Hear-hear. Well said. I am fed up of being ripped off by UK PLC and > unscrupulous companies that take advantage of this situation. I have a > friend in the States and that is how I get my stuff. Not illegal, just > tactical. That powerlogix upgrade does look tempting doesn't it? > > Rossi > > > On Thursday, Mar 6, 2003, at 03:22 Europe/London, John Allan wrote: > >> And so who are these people cruising around the internet taking folks >> credit >> card details!?! >> >> Magnus, >> >> you have to find a friend in the US to buy one from OWC for you, strip >> the >> thing out of the box and ship it privately via USPS Global Priority to >> you >> as a gift. >> >> Otherwise you are going to get hit by VAT *AND* a nice obligatory " >> handling >> charge " by DHL or UPS which together will just about knock out the >> difference between buying from them and buying from one of the European >> sharks. >> >> [ The couriers make more profit out of that handling charge than they >> do >> shipping it transatlantic ]. >> >> What is it about Importers that they really think they can add on 50% >> to US >> prices and expect items to sell? >> >> American companies have been making this mistake for so long in the UK >> of >> using a one dollar equals one pound ratio. And Mac companies so ready >> to rip >> the love blind MacHeads off. >> >> Only Sonnet seems to have been able to keep the lid on this recently >> as far >> as I can see. >> >> For example : for Cube >> >> Powerlogix 1 Gig upgrade from Cancom UK : GBP 656 USD 1017 >> >> Powerlogix 1 Gig upgrade from OWC GBP 316 USD >> 490 >> >> For the difference I could fly to New York, have a free holiday and >> pick it >> up myself. It really does not cost any more to ship something from CA >> to NYC >> and shipping from OWC to the UK is faster and more efficient than using >> *ANY* bozo UK distributor. [ can these figures REALLY be right? See >> below ] >> >> My bet is that one day some German outfit will suss this out and wipe >> the >> Euro Mac market clean. UK companies are so crap. >> >> Cancom even advertise a PowerLogix PowerForce Dual G4 1.2GHz for Apple >> Cube >> Mac ! >> >> John >> >>> Made4Macs is no longer our Euro distributor....they do not have any >>> product. >>> >>>> http://www.powerlogix-europe.com >>>> >>>> Which is really made4macs >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> ---- >>> PowerLogix >> >> >> http://www.cancomuk.com/products/ >> searchresults.lasso?code=50508&show_detail= >> PowerLogix%20PowerForce%20Dual%20G4%201.2GHz%20for%20Apple%20Cube%20%20 >> Mac%2 >> 0&fromlist=yes >> >> http://eshop.macsales.com/MyOWC/ >> Upgrades.cfm?model=128&type=Acceleration&TI= >> %23TimeFormat%28Now%28%29%2C+&shoupgrds=Show+Upgrades >> >> >> ---------- >> Check out the Cube email list FAQ >> http://www.themacintoshguy.com/lists/Cube.html >> >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: <Cube-off at lists.themacintoshguy.com> >> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >> <Cube-digest at lists.themacintoshguy.com> >> Need help from a real person? 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