Quoth Riba (riba at hi.hinet.hr) at 11/17/03 4:54: > Just had a strange thing happen on me recently. > > Two days ago my stock speakers because very silent, and the volume > control did not affect the volume at all. They yesterday they were gone > altogether. There was no audio output device at all (btw this makes > quicktime crash wehn you try playing movies with sound! :)) I've had the same thing happen (albeit without Quicktime crashing) about three times since I upgraded to Panther. This after 10.2.8 finally fixed my USB audio issues... :-/ Be sure to send feedback on it to Apple. Sean Terrill a10t2 at mac.com http://a10t2.cjb.net A good pun is its own reword.