[CUBE] Terrible Problems with 10.2.8 and iChat AV Beta

[Chris Rivera]

Sorry to hear about your problems.

I have iChat beta and iSights on both of my Cubes (10.2.8) with no 
problems (so far).

I wouldn't think Apple is knowingly distributing something that crashes 
your HD.


On Monday, October 13, 2003, at 12:10 PM, Dennis Kleid wrote:

> Last week I purchased from the "Apple Store" the iSight camera and 
> with its microphone and firewire connection for my Cube. I was 
> somewhat surprised to find that the program required to run this 
> equipment was "iChat AV Beta" -- a "beta" program that must be 
> downloaded.
>
> Also last week I downloaded and installed a new operating system 
> upgrade MacOS 10.2.8. (Although I was happy with MacOS 10.2.6) When I 
> downloaded iChat AV Beta with the 10.2.8 system my HD cashed all the 
> way to the gray "Apple" with a little black box "1/4 inch by 2 inch" 
> over it. I think this is a so called "Kernel Panic". On attempts to 
> re-start, the start buttons flash about ten times, then the gray 
> "Apple" and the little black box reappear. My HD will not boot from 
> any CD (with "c" key), or by using any other trick. I found that there 
> is simply no way to boot an "iChat AV Beta with the 10.2.8 system" HD. 
> I lost this weekend trying to get my Cube up and running again!
>
> My only choice was to remove the 60 Gig Maxtor HD from my Cube (G4 450 
> MHz Cube, w/650 RAM) and to use another HD, the original 20 Gig Maxtor 
> HD with MAC OS 10.2.6 that was not corrupted. (No way am I going to 
> try the iChat AV beta again!!!) Now I understand that I must buy 
> another Mac OS, the "Mac OS X Panther 10.3" for $129.00 on Oct. 24th, 
> in order to - maybe - save my 60 Gig HD (now in an external drive), 
> and all of those programs and drivers that are installed on it. I 
> tried to re-install the 10.2, 10.2.6 then 10.2.8, it still will not 
> boot when "startup disk" is set to the external drive. (Thanks to this 
> Cube group I remembered to fix the little jumpers when swapping the 
> HDs.) Now the 10.2.8 external HD gets stuck at the "gray" apple, no 
> little black box and no little rolling circle. If I turn off the 
> external, re-start with it off, more flashes then I get a tiny folder 
> with "two Mac OS faces" alternating with "?". Resetting the PRAM ("p" 
> "r" "option" "apple" "control" "shift" -- what ever), at least I think 
> that did it-- I get the strangest screen I've ever seen on a Cube. A 
> "return arrow" and a "go forward arrow" and a white box. I 
> accidentally realized then if I type dots appear in the white box. If 
> I type my password, the darn thing boots. It would have been real nice 
> for that screen to give you some sort of clue what it is and what to 
> do!
>
> Come on -- I spent an entire weekend getting my Cube to work again. 
> These days, the whole family depends on this little gadget with its 
> keyboard, display & mouse, internet connection/Cable modem, printer, 
> scanner, CD/DVD read/writer, digital camera card reader, emergency HD, 
> Firewire and USB Hubs, with all of those power supplies and wires, it 
> looks like a snake pit behind my flat screen display!
>
> I think this is a terrible way to create "planned obsolescence" e.g. 
> destroy the HD with MAC OS 10.2.8 so Mac users will have to buy MAC OS 
> 10.3. The iSight should have been bundled with Mac OX 10.3 (hopefully 
> with an iChat AV program that WORKS), prior to marketing. To knowingly 
> sell something that everyone at Apple must know will destroy the Mac 
> user's computer's HD is beyond the pale.
>
>
>
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