As a Mac Consultant with my own business in NYC and a significantly broad client base, I have to say that a large percentage of kernel panics are, in fact, hardware related. Even so, software-induced KPs are relatively simple to diagnose without the need for a reinstall (archive or otherwise) of the OS. Laurie -- Founder, Editor, FAQ-checker http://cubeowner.com Home of The Mac Cube FAQ! AOL IM/iChat: cubeownernyc On 1/29/04 12:00 AM, "J.C. Webber III" <jcw at kingoblio.com> typed the following: > I don't mean to be harsh either, but this is the typical support > engineer's response. Get it fixed and the customer off the line > as quickly as possible. > > Never mind that this 'shotgun' approach removes any possiblity > of discovering the root cause of the problem, thus providing > the user with some clue as to how to avoid a reoccurance. > > A complete scratch install should be the last resort, when you've > effectively given up, not the first thing you try. > > -- jcw > > Phil Mitchell wrote: > >> Well, we have not seen a hardware-related KP to date, but maybe it is >> the climate down here in Miami, eh?? Archive installs are not painful >> things (alá the ole "clean install" in OS 9!!), and software updater >> will take care of the rest - in just a few short hours!! >> >> pm >> Yeah, seems a bit harsh, but as an Apple Consultant, trust me on this... >> >> pm >> >> On Jan 28, 2004, at 12:21 AM, Alan Thompson wrote: >> >>> really? b/c of one kernel panic? i mean, a kp is bad, unkay, but >>> reinstalling seems a bit rash. i dunno. >>> >>> On Jan 27, 2004, at 10:25 AM, Phil Mitchell wrote: >>> >>>>> That is the new KERNEL PANIC indicator... you should do an archive >>>>> install ASAP and do the software updater thingy 'til you get back to >>>>> 10.3.2... >> >>