Helen: I suppose you can't do it. Like i.e. you can't mount a 4G iPod in a Mac OS 9 environment. 1. Songs: songs are digital files/data that are hidden inside the iPod, this is the way for disabling transfer function between multiple computers, assigning the hardware exclusively to one Mac. 2. Games: games are code source/software bundled in the iPod firmware, and i guess you can't wipe it from there (unless some genius geek is messing up around the iPod software/firmware). Just my 2 cents, LM >>> helenjlowe at hotmail.com - 21/01/2005 2:41 PM >>> I have tried various free software to "upload" tunes from iPod, and they all work. But what I'd like to know (as a terrible games addict who wants to kick the habit!) is how can I get rid of the games off the iPod, like delete them altogether? I can't find any software that can "see" the games. Any ideas?