I wrote: >The Duo modem is like a WinModem, partly (largely?) in SW, plus if you've >ever looked at a modem 'card' inside a dock, it looks suspiciously like >the same part inside the Duo itself. I don't actually know the answer to >the 'will the dock modem work without the Duo's modem card being >installed?' question but I'd say one cannot tell without actual testing. then Jutso wrote: >Looking at the service manuals, I see that the illustration of the parts >in question is not the same -- the internal modem (Apple's, anyway) has >its connector all along its side, whereas the Dock "modem" has a much >narrower connector to the Dock logic board. The Dock "modem" is also much >thinner from side to side than the int. modem. Arrgh, my mistake for my choice of wording there. I meant the components on the boards look similar, not that the boards themselves are interchangable. Sorry about that! They are not, AFAIK, though if I wasn't too lazy to go look I'd know in a few short minutes. With the idea that the expansion conn. signals (the modem related pins anyway) reveal _something_ relevant, as usual here's more info than anyone really wants: Main expansion connector signal assignments 68 +5V MODEM +5 V power for modem 69 LINET/R Modem DAA line talk/receive 75, 76, 151, 152 DAA GND Modem ground 143 DAA CNTLF Modem DAA control 144 DAA ID IN ID input from 152-pin connector to modem card 145 /RING DET Ring detect signal from the modem DAA 146 /RB DVR Modem relay B driver 147 /RA DVR Modem relay A driver I have no idea what it all means, however I _DO_ know there's a clue in there somewhere! Dan K ................................. http://macdan.n3.net/ carracho://dankephoto.dhs.org:9700 hotline://dankephoto.dhs.org:9500 .................................