My iMac is one of the original 233hrz Rev. A Bondi Blue, with a NewerTechnologies 433 CPU, max amt. of ram, and OS 8.6.1 I did get it to shut down, and when I restarted it threw away the finder preferences, stating that they were corrupted. and I was able to start up with the extensions off, and then shut down normally. Since the Finder preferences were redone, Couldn't I also trash the System preferences, and the Macintosh HD preferences, and then restart, to see if that would help. I know that they are rewritten when they are in the trash(that has not been emptied). I learned that in a Troubleshooting the Macintosh class, where the finder preferences are trashed first. I didn't think of it, the iMac did it for me. So since the Finder preferences were corrupted, then rewritten at the time of start up with the shift key pressed down. Now, everytime I go to start up, the imac gets stuck. I can see the progress bar, but it gets stuck around 15% of the way every time (not holding down the shift key). How do I remedy this problem and get my imac to start up properly? Thanks for your advice. Should I zap the p-ram, before trashing the system preferences, then restarting then trashing the HD preferences, in that order, separately. I seems like the main issue was the Finder, but it did make a statement about the Finder and the System Folder. Well, I was able to restart the computer only after taking a huge chance, and the computer trashed the finder preferences and created new Finder preferences. I still have the problem with the extensions because I cannot use the CD ROM to run any utilities. June On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 09:19 AM, Brian Conner wrote: > June, a -127 Error is a Menu Manager Error (Could not find HMenu's > parent in > MenuKey.) If this were my system, before I gave up and re-formatted > the HDD, > I would run DiskWarrior. Other options are Tech Tool Pro and Norton. > The > problem is, without a blessed System folder being recognized on that > drive, > you probably won't be able to boot, even to the DiskWarrior CD. > > If you have priceless items that you'd rather not lose on that drive, > you > might need to get another drive to install an operating system on. > Then, > with both drives in the box, start up with the DW CD and see if it can > repair your troubled drive. Maybe with that arrangement, even if DW > can't > repair it, you might be able to copy your priceless files to a good > drive. > > HTH. > > > Brian Conner > > > ---------- > G4ist, a listserv for discussion of everything G4. > FAQ at <http://www.themacintoshguy.com/lists/G4.html>. > Send a message to <G4-DIGEST at themacintoshguy.com> to switch to the > digest. > > XRouter | Share your DSL or cable modem between multiple computers! > Dr. Bott | Now $139.99 <http://www.drbott.com/prod/xrouter.html> > > Dr. Bott LLC 4-port USB Hub in translucent Graphite! > Dr. Bott LLC <http://www.drbott.com/prod/ghub.html> > > Small Dog Electronics http://www.smalldog.com | Canon Digital > Cameras | > --Quicksilver & refurbished G4's arriving daily! | and Camcorders!! > | > > MacResQ Specials: LaCie SCSI CDR From $99! PowerBook 3400/200 Only > $879! > Norton AntiVirus 6 Only $19! We Stock PARTS! <http://www.macresq.com> > > OS X News, Dr.Mac, Forums, Tutorials, Tips, Hints, FAQ?s - > http://www.osxfaq.com >