Sean, I don't find it odd. This is a school with curious kids. They try stuff, you know. It's easy to plug a cheap FW cable in backwards. This can fry a FW bus very quickly, and only the more recent G4s have a self-healing FW bus. So it is no surprise if the FW busses on several computers are fried. Diannah, this is a great opportunity to teach the kids why it's important to plug the FW cable in the right way. Brian Conner -----Original Message----- From: Power Macintosh G4 List [mailto:G4 at lists.themacintoshguy.com] On Behalf Of Sean Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 11:35 PM To: Power Macintosh G4 List Subject: Re: [G4] Dead FW ports Did the controller show up? or just not the devices you plugged into it? IE when you are in the Apple System Profiler does it say: FireWire Information -> Device not found Or does it say FireWire Information -> FireWire (built-in) and just not list any devices. I guess it really makes me wonder since I assume you are using the same devices, and are reporting two dead machines with bad FW ports if there really isn't something else going on. Like a bad cable, crosstalk, a device is drawing too much power, flaky chipset, corrosion, etc. etc. I know I have a really early ADS Pyro case that won't work with the G4 although it works fine with the 8500 and the firewire card. I was supposed to send that in on a recall but forgot to do it. It was actually really flaky for a long time with detection before I got it working. I am NOT saying you are wrong. I just think it is odd. And if the ports are in fact dead I would seriously be leary that something that is shared between the machines is actually causing maybe a power surge or whatever. Sean