[G4] question: hard drive transfer

[Jeffery Abbott]

Thank you Philip and Daniel for your excellent advice.  It was  
successful (except that I need to find a jumper)... I presume I will be  
able to pick one up at Radio Shack???  I was tempted to removed the  
jumper from the DVD-RAM drive and use it, but I was afraid that it  
would not be a wise idea  ;-)

Thanks again for your help!

Jeff



On Wednesday, November 26, 2003, at 12:06  PM, Daniel Brieck wrote:

> Jeff,
>
> You could theoretically put your whole external drive inside your G4's  
> case if it would fit, but why would you want to do that. It would work  
> reasonably well if you had a small firewire drive that is bus powered,  
> but a typical fire wire enclosure that needs power from its own power  
> supply would require some tinkering.
>
> Here is what you should do if you want the hard drive itself to be  
> internal....
>
> I am going to assume that the drive that is in your firewire enclosure  
> is a standard IDE hard dive. You can install the external drive on top  
> of your existing hard drive in the G4 after removing it from the  
> firewire case. So all you have to do is get the drive out of the  
> firewire enclosure and put it into your G4. You will need a screw  
> driver of some sort to open the enclosure and unscrew the hard drive  
> from it. Save the screws that hold the hard drive in the case, you  
> will need those to put the drive properly in the G4.
>
> Here is a video link from apple about replacing the internal hard  
> drive, you will do almost the same instead not replacing but adding.
> http://www.info.apple.com/usen/cip/html/g4ge/g4gbenet-atadrive- 
> cip.mov.html
>
>
> Basically here is what you do?
> 1. Turn off the computer and the External enclosure.
>
> 2. Touch metal(PCI Covers, etc) to discharge any static electricity ,  
> before touching any computer components. Do this all the time before  
> touching anything inside the computer.
>
> 3. Remove the hard drive from the firewire enclosure (disconnecting  
> the power and IDE/ ATA cables) ***Note that this may void your  
> firewire enclosures warrantee if it has one.***
>
> 4. Open the G4's case (make sure it is off and static is taken care of)
>
> 5. Notice how the IDE cable plugs in to the drive on the G4. It is the  
> last drive on that cable making it the master drive. The drive that  
> you will add will be configured as a Slave drive(second or middle plug  
> on the cable). You will have to configure the hard drive that you are  
> adding by moving its jumpers to the appropriate position for slave  
> mode. If you don't set the jumpers right then the drive may not show  
> up on the G4 or cause both drives to not show up. Find the jumpers on  
> the hard drive.  Look on the hard drive itself for jumper  
> configuration, because it may tell you how to set up the jumpers , if  
> not check on the drive manufacturers web site for jumper settings.   
> Remember how the IDE cable is plugged in the G4 original hard drive,  
> because if you flip them then you will have to also configure the G4's  
> hard drive jumper settings.
>
> 6. Unplug the IDE cable, and power from the hard drive that is in your  
> G4.
>
> 7. Then remove the one screw that  holds the drive carrier in place,  
> it is located in the center front toward the g4's door hinge. Cafe  
> fully remove the drive carrier from the computer.
>
> 8. Position the Second hard drive  on-top of the first drive and  
> secure it into place with the mounting screws from the external  
> enclosure.
>
> 9. Then carefully put the drive carrier back into the G4, and put the  
> screw in.
>
> 10.  Re attach the IDE cables (end master goes to the bottom drive and  
> slave second goes to the top drive) and 	power cables to both drives
>
> 11. Close up the G4 and then turn it on
>
> 12. Your done if everything is working properly
> 		If it does not work then probably something with jumper settings is  
> causing the problems...
>
>
> Good Luck
> Dan Brieck Jr.
>
> On Nov 26, 2003, at 9:58 AM, Jeffery Abbott wrote:
>
>> Greetings Folks,
>>
>> I have a question for the techies:  I have a PM G4, AGP graphics  
>> model and an external firewire hard drive.  I would like to relocate  
>> the external hard drive- I think it would be better in the mac's  
>> case, rather than on my desk- and it would help cut down on cable  
>> clutter.  On the box the mac shipped with, it says (3 firewire [1  
>> internal]).  Does this mean that I can remove the hard drive from its  
>> external case and put it inside my PowerMac case?
>>
>> Will I need anything special to do this?  A special firewire cable?   
>> some sort of internal power cable?  a brace to mount the drive on?   
>> special screws?
>>
>> Thanks for any help!
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>
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