the most 'infamous' are the MDD series G4s. Although, i got a dual-867 the first day they came out, and i have been very pleased with it. It is no more noisy than any of my other computers. Either some people are too sensitive, or i'm deaf. :-) mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Howells" <ah at hobbit.ndo.co.uk> To: "Power Macintosh G4 List" <G4 at lists.themacintoshguy.com> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 12:24 PM Subject: [G4] Sawtooth 450 upgrade > Hi there > I want to move up from my 450 sawtooth. What were the first models which had > the noisy fan or power supply issues? I want to get as fast as I can without > meeting these issues. > Thanks > Anthony >