I've been trying to burn dvd data backup disks without Toast. I 'm pretty sure I have the latest versions of Disc Burner and Disk Copy for both OSs. I've tried a 2x Fujifilm DVD-R 4.7 gb video/data combo and a 2x TDK DVD-R 4.7 gb video/video (?) and both are coasters after many minutes of formating and burning in OS 10.2.8 (disk target error reported). That's a lot better than OS 9.2.2, from which I cannot even launch a burn. I have no problems with CD's in either OS. Anyone have any thoughts? Know of a freeware/shareware program that works? Thanks -- Frank Dutra running behind his: G4 Mac 450 Mhz Dual Processor "Gigabit Ethernet" OEM 30 GB HD with internal 40 GB IBM HD, 256 mb ram Pioneer 106 (A06) DVD-R/CD-RW, driver patched for OS 9