As a side note, after reading the original mail here, I decided I NEEDED to update my Radeon in my G4 1.25 system. So, off I went, downloaded and installed it. All of a sudden, my system is DOG slow! My G3 Beige is running circles around this system. I am not sure now what to do about this. I did look in Console, but as you point out here, I have no idea what I am looking for! Any ideas? Thanks, John On Dec 15, 2004, at 11:55 AM, Al Poulin wrote: > It seems it would be a good service if you posted the problem and the > fix to the Apple forum if you have not already done it. > > Apple posted the 10.3.6 update on 11/5/04. You say Raedon's patch for > ATI software was in early November. Perhaps that was in direct > response to 10.3.6. There could have been problems on your G4 after > 10.3.6 which you did not notice until Apple's security update made > things apparent. > > Apple sets standards for coding software which Raedon may not have > followed until after the 10.3.6 updater. Apple does not test its > software against the thousands of possible third party modifications > to its computers. That is left up to us in realtime. A lot of > speculation here. > > But the hard question you raise is what about the people who would not > know how to troubleshoot such a problem. I have no clue what to look > for in Console mode, which I understand is also called Single User > mode in Terminal. For folks like me, I guess the lesson is to check > the web sites of all manufacturers of third part equipment and > software installed on our Macs after any experience like yours.