When you say you downloaded "it", was it the Displays or the ROM Updater? If it was the ROM Updater, try using the "Custom" option to back up to your original ROM. I also had problems with the new ROM using my G4/500 with TV OUT - it would not wake up and remember to look for the S-Video, so I dropped back to the original 126 version ROM which after also backing ATI Displays to 4.2 seemed to restore the system to some level of normalacy (though I do believe that the 10.3.6+ ATI drivers are slower than the 10.3.5 versions - DVD playback seems to be choppy since that upgrade). Jim On 15 Dec 2004, at 17:18, John wrote: > As a side note, after reading the original mail here, I decided I > NEEDED to update my Radeon in my G4 1.25 system. > So, off I went, downloaded and installed it. > All of a sudden, my system is DOG slow! My G3 Beige is running circles > around this system. I am not sure now what to do about this. > I did look in Console, but as you point out here, I have no idea what > I am looking for! > Any ideas? > Thanks, > John > > On Dec 15, 2004, at 11:55 AM, Al Poulin wrote: > >> It seems it would be a good service if you posted the problem and the >> fix to the Apple forum if you have not already done it. >> >> Apple posted the 10.3.6 update on 11/5/04. You say Raedon's patch >> for ATI software was in early November. Perhaps that was in direct >> response to 10.3.6. There could have been problems on your G4 after >> 10.3.6 which you did not notice until Apple's security update made >> things apparent. >> >> Apple sets standards for coding software which Raedon may not have >> followed until after the 10.3.6 updater. Apple does not test its >> software against the thousands of possible third party modifications >> to its computers. That is left up to us in realtime. A lot of >> speculation here. >> >> But the hard question you raise is what about the people who would >> not know how to troubleshoot such a problem. I have no clue what to >> look for in Console mode, which I understand is also called Single >> User mode in Terminal. For folks like me, I guess the lesson is to >> check the web sites of all manufacturers of third part equipment and >> software installed on our Macs after any experience like yours. > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4 at listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 >