Ask him what he will be using it for. Keep in mind that when the machine came out (or any Mac for that matter) there were a lot of high-end applications for it. Now those are blown away by newer software packages, but it doesn't make them unusable. I gave an old Mac 7300 G3/400 upgraded to a buddy of mine and he's learning Photoshop. Not only that but it's still easy to get on to a DSL line as well and browse the 'net. I myself am getting a bit spoiled thinking of a Dual Core Intel Mac Mini, but then again, do I need it? All the stuff I have now works fine. Aside from not being able to play some of the newer games, there's still a lot that I can play including all the games from MAME, the Atari games, Intellivision Lives, Call of Duty, the Carmageddon series, Unreal Tournament 2004, the Quake series... and I'm happy. The only reason I'd want a Mac Mini is so that I can run Windows and Mac at the same time, and I really want Windows just for the games including Visual Pinball (which allows you to play the old original pinball games on your PC). Even if I were to have the old G3 back, I'd still be playing games on it and using Photoshop. I could put it in an empty arcade cabinet and make a little home arcade with it (if I had the know-how and such). Even if your son wants to program he could get started on that with the older G3. If he gets a newer model he can keep the old one around and test any programs on that as well. If he likes the design and wants to get into case modification, he can hack it and try getting a newer board into an older style case like the G3. It all depends on what he will be using it for. Eric >> >>> My son wants me to turn his Beige G3/333 into a FrankenMac like >>> his sisters. >>> >>> I can use a Sonnet G3/500 ZIF with 1MB cache processor OR an Apple >>> PowerMac G4/400 ZIF with 1MB cache and over clock it to 500Mhz. >>> >>> Thoughts, suggestions and warnings appreciated! >>> >>> Later, >>> Dan Currie