Cool, I wish ...., I did the applejack thing it fixed a few lost files and permissions, like Tiger cache cleaner that i use for similar situations, it didn't help with the relaunching of finder or crashing of files & programs on the master, nor on the others. Disk Utility I naturally try to start from the original disk, with everything disconnected but the keyboard mouse and screen, still freezes at language selection. otherwise if I try it in utilities it won't find anything but maybe a permission checkin all drives. my memory (the computers) seems to be cool I have 3 SDRAM all 133's 2 are 512 1 is a 256, can i put more?. The Maxtor I installed Tiger on, but copied programs and files onto. So as a novice ( I'm much better at animation than computer problems) would I have mixed up the master/slave when formating the Maxtor into this machine and how could i fix it? I don't know much about all of this kinda stuff thanks all of you for helping On 14/02/2009, at 3:05 PM, Eric Wood wrote: > G4 at listserver.themacintoshguy.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20090215/652d2be4/attachment.html