>ps Some of you may wonder why I keep such old systems.....and the >answer is HAH! You didn't need to answer that! I might get flamed bad for this but... guess I don't care either. For the record, this is not meant to flame anybody... its just my rant on those who 'MUST' have bran new machines for no good excuse while labelling it as a 'need', a small bit of politics, and business in general. Ya want a new machine? Fine, buy it and enjoy! More power (and less money) to ya. So, onward I rant. My 'main' machine is a REALLY old 300 mhz Beige G3 using the even older ADB keyboard. What floors me most is the fact that most everybody seems to 'need' such newer machines. Yes I'm on the 'G4' list ... my 'second' machine is the G4 tower reminiscent of the old Q950 put out to pasture long ago. Frankly, the ol 950 really was capable of a lot of what I 'needed' to do. Mostly I did the bump up just for speed. I use OS9, Photoshop 3.?, Clarisworks 4 (preferably 3 because 4 doesn't run quite right sometimes), BBEdit, RealBasic 5.5, and Claris Emailer, (would be running 1.1v3 if the mail servers didn't reject it). If most of you are honest with yourselves, those programs just plain worked. They still do at my house. No fiddling, no messing, no crashes, they just work. Why? Yes because they work, and because I often have yet to exhaust all the stuff I genuinely 'need to do' just with those apps, and... yes, because they are as familiar as my back yard too! I'd like to respectfully say that.... Ya bl..dy well didn't need to tell me the 'why' part. I only 'stoop' to using OSX when needing to do some YouTubing and some browsing that IE5.1 finally just can't cope with. As to OSX, where the h is window shading, Res Edit, and why the crap do I have to tell it 'YES I DO want to shut down!!!!' (as if I'm some 'stoopid virus box user' or something) in OSX anyhow???????????????? Did someone say OSX is supposed to be 'better????' Yeah right. Ok, if you believe that. Folks, SOME of what goes on is that manufacturers ...well, don't be shocked by this... they 'manufacture' a need for a new product so they can sell more of them. I've begun a slow gravitation towards Kubuntu Linux in part because of an objection to manufacturers always insisting on 'helping' us to migrate forward at their pace by trying to conjure up more ways to give us the bells and whistles about how much 'better' their "$$$ new $$$ and $$$ improved $$$" products are. Kubuntu is based upon making life easier. That platform is finally, slowly coming of age beautifully now. Frankly, if this country used its collective head for anything but a hat rack, it might find that many of the 'p.(iece) of c.(rap)' corperations could be shut down in favor of an architecture of 2-3 computer manufacturers that made something other than virus infested junk. Oops, that'll cost more of those jobs that they are giving away to China. Wake up folks. They manufacture the crisis so they can help 'fix' it. That's 'Obama care' in action again...but alas I fell off into politics. An old OS9 machine that works without a virus is far more useful than a chronic illness machine that does its level best to make your wallet a bit ill. No 'hot' machine is necessary for writing an email doing most 'regular job' work, or fixing pictures. I waste no time downloading the latest defs. Here's my big question for all those 'hi power' users. What work do you spend the bulk of your time on with your fancy schmancy hot shot 'Warp 9' machines that you can't do on a basic machine? Fine, edit your movies, and enjoy being able to view all those web pages you 'need' to view. Enjoy your twitter accounts and facebook 'friends' and staying 'up to date' with the Jones family. I wonder how many people buy that new pretty box to end up writing emails and saving recipes on it. The ones who are going to be most vocal and 'flame on' are the ones who of course have a 'great reason' why they 'had to' have the 4 digit fire breathing processors. MANY people spend buku bux buying the whiz banger to plop it on their desk with its gorgeous flat screen & screamin fast processor to do what? Write a term paper? Write a book? Playing those 'wow!' games? Oh, the games! Well golly gee. Enjoy your $1000+ time waster. You can do it at 2 Ghz with the best of them. As for MANY people who hide under the carpet in shame for NOT needing Trans-Warp drive or Captain Picard at the helm, we'll sit here on the G4 list or whatever 'trailing edge of technology' we can limp along on till its so archaic that it won't work any more. My whole points to this long diatribe are: 1: NOT to disagree with you...but actually to really strongly... intensely... whole heartedly agree with you- and then some! 2: Its well worth a bit of self honesty with recognizing what is really needed instead of just flinging forward headling into spending money that sometimes just isn't really necessary. Need it? Fine, but it and enjoy. 3: THINKING for yourself / ourselves instead of just buying into marketing and 'pressure' from the money hungry business world. Personally, I hope that these lists stay active for a very long time. Flame me if you must, but that wasn't the point either. Besides, this is just my personal opinion of the nonsense that some purport to be 'thinking'. Now where was my subscription to quadlist anyhow! Don