[MacDV] Re: SIGS Off-Topic, read to bottom where I inquire about Radius Telecast Manuals and Diagrams.

[Jim Asherman]

On Friday, April 18, 2003, at 05:30  PM, Illovox Media wrote:

> on 4/18/03 12:51 PM, Jim Asherman at jimash at optonline.net wrote:
>
>>>> Please do not include your misguided attempts at political insight in
>>>> your Macintosh Computing forum messages...
>
>>> If it's in his sig, it's fine and not to be commented upon....
>>
>> Choosing a quote from a prominent Nazi as your personality identifier
>> Could give people the wrong impression and some of us might find it,
>> shall we say, generally insulting.
>
> You don't get it.  In country with free speech, it doesn't matter if 
> you are
> insulted, nor if you get the "wrong" impression.  Your feelings are
> irrelevant.  Free speech is free speech.  If you cannot and willnot 
> abide by
> the laws and constitution of America, GTH, but don't tell me, him or 
> anyone
> that it is "wrong" for him to speak whatever he wants.
>

he is free to voice a stupid opinion and free to hide behind the most 
discredited ideology of the last 100 years. I am free to tell him it is 
stupid. I am free  to counter the influence he intends to weild. If you 
put it in my face in a sig in an email that is distributed to many 
people, it is fair game. Make a statement. Don't expect not to be 
challenged.



>>> Nothing wrong with taking issue or with a group dealing with multiple
>>> camps of opinions either...freedom of speech.
>>
>> I am all for freedom of speech. Say what you mean . Don't hide behind
>> the dead Nazis.
>
> He said what he meant, I'm sure, and it's not for you to judge his 
> intent.
Of course it is.

> He was not hiding behind anything, clearly.
Clearly he was.

>  Learn rhetoric, bub.  He is
> making an ironic point that our government is using tactics similar to 
> those
> used by Nazi propagandists to achieve their ends.  It's an interesting 
> and
> thought provoking point.  You don't have to agree, but do not argue ad
> hominum.

Ad hominum would be if I called him a fat jerk.
I didn't. I suggest that his choice of quotes to support a point he was 
unwilling to make in  his own voice is distatsteful to me in the extreme 
and I will excersize MY free speech.


>   I could for example, argue with him that the Nazi's would have
> demonized the Muslims,

Wrong. The muslims liked the nazis .

> Afganies and Iraqies, while our president has made a
> point again and again to America that he would not tolerate prejudicial
> bigotry against any of those three groups, but that doesn't mean that he
> hasn't hit upon a good conversation starter.  Nevertheless, it's in his 
> sig,
> which means all of this is better left for private discussion or for 
> another
> board, but NOT HERE.

I quite agree. NOT HERE. leave it off. Go to alt.conspiracy and have it 
out. leave it out of my face or face my comments.

>
>> I would assume from the quote that Charles used that in fact he does 
>> not
>> think that they deserve such liberation, and would be  happier to let
>> them suffer. Not me.
>
> You may assume that, but you don't know that.  In any case, wrong or 
> not,
> this opinion of yours does not preclude his right to post whatever he 
> wants
> on his sig.
And to have it rebutted for the benefit of those who might consider it a 
somehow valid opinion or pointer to an opinion.

>
>>> we'll have to lump you in with all those...militia maniacs...
>
>> I am hardly a militia maniac. More like an Animaniac.
>> I will quote our current president, whom I did not vote for and am no
>> big fan of, " Let us fight them with soldiers instead of firemen".
>> And one from my mother,  " I prefer OUR liars to their liars"  Thanks
>> mom.
>
> Quote who you want.  It's your right...in your sig.  But on this list we
> only talk about MacDV, except in our sigs.

So I should call him a fat jerk in my sig and that would be alright?
I should do a rant inn my sig and you would no longer take me to task?
  What a cartload.

>
> To that end, anybody here using a Radius Telecast set up?  I just got 
> one to
> noodle with and could really use set up diagrams and manuals.  The cards
> seem to have DAV connectors or some such that I have no idea what to do
> with.  I could also use the drivers and Fusion editors and effects 
> software
> that came with it.
>
>


This is my sig and not to be commented upon.
"When I found out that the average IQ is 100 I was shocked.
This means that most people are flat stupid. It's just scary."
Me