Not to sound cranky or anything, but unless we're talking about designing video packaging, why are we talking about page layout software? This is the MacDV (digital video) list. I think other lists exist for desktop publishing. Original message: "Just for the record: InDesign is a completely new architecture and code base from PageMaker. PageMaker was good, but did have a few limitations that you might encounter while doing complex magazine spreads and other more design-oriented publications - and a lot of good ideas from PageMaker made it into InDesign - but make no mistake about it - its a completely different program."