At 2:31 PM -0700 4/12/04, <illovox at comcast.net> wrote: > > Bar is simply the aramaic equivalent of the hebrew ben. >> (e.g. the Bar Kochba revolt). >> > >Cool, didn't know that about Aramaic. Is that the case in Arabic? In Arabic, ibn is the equivalent of ben and bar. Pedigree names (nahsabs) usually follow the form of son ibn father and daughter ibn mother--except for Jesus, who is Isa ibn Maryam. There's also the Arabic kunyas, honorific names, of Abu (Father of) and Um (Mother of). e.g. Abu Ibrahim or Um Ibrahim. -- Erica