As promised here are some figures (preliminary) concerning my home institution. As of 12-13-02 the Property Management Database had 960 Apple manufactured computers . This does not include those that have been "retired" as too old (and inexpensive) to retain in the database. A year ago: On Thursday, January 23, 2003, at 08:44 PM, Dan Cheng wrote: > from Keith, just about a year ago (Jan 31, 2002). >> OS 9 = 288 (55.5%) >> OS 8 = 164 (31.6%) >> OS X = 67 (12.9%) >> Total identifiable Mac OS AppleTalk Devices = 519 >> Total AppleTalk Devices = 800 >> Only counted lab owned computers, personal computers were not included The Apple Talk Devices figure includes all (peripherals connected to AppleTalk and not identified as such as a Mac OS running computer - printers, scanners, etc). As you can see they are not *just* wishful thoughts. As I said already - "Macs are popping up as mushrooms" in scientific communities. Although some already existing might simply made its appearance on the data base the increase is justified by the very fact that one sees more Macs around than ever (especially among portables). Even assuming that the 960 as of December includes all (hence to be compared to Total Apple Devise and not to Total identifiable Mac OS Devices) that's about a 20% increase -- which is quite respectable being the worst-case-increase-figure, I would say. Cheers and cheer up -- Massimo Marino NERSC Division - HPC Department Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory http://www.slac.stanford.edu/~marino On leave at CERN, CH, EP Division, Atlas experiment phone: (+41) 22 767-1288 fax: (+41) 22 767-8350 Office: 40-3-D16 alternate email: marino at slac.stanford.edu, marino at mail.cern.ch, Massimo.Marino at cern.ch