>I realize that AOL bashing seems to be as in vogue as Apple >bashing is in the PC world. And just as a lot of misinformation >gets passed around by the Apple bashers, it sure seems like AOL >bashers pass around a lot of misinformation about AOL. I don't see this thread as bashing, but rather legitimate issues with proprietary software; you are obviously a long time, power user of AOL (and you have a loyalty bias to AOL that has been expressed often on this list). The main issue is that there is not a simple way for average users to access the features you discuss, which can cause frustration and certainly causes problems for web developers and ISPs. This is not bashing; note the number of sites that have "AOL users click here" buttons, as well as my previous post about mailing list problems. When a company, especially one the size of AOL, because of their proprietary software, causes hundreds of thousands of gainfully employed developers and ISPs extra time and frustration to do their job, the will (deservedly) be disliked by those folks. When we say AOL sucks, it is based on experience. AOL's proprietary software was necessary in their early days, but they have had 10 years to migrate their app to "the rest of the world". They have chosen not to; don't expect us in the development world to respect that. The users who have been contributing to this thread are definitely not "newbies" and most could be considered "sophisticated users". The fact that they are frustrated with certain features of the software indicates that the software is flawed in its design, if not its function. -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Mike Bigley Maineville, Ohio http://www.norbertrunning.com Please support an American Indian Elder & Medicine Man by visiting the above link. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>