Thanks guys, actually the app was somehow just not responding at all, whether in training mode or not. I reset the filter and its working, but these small things seem to be happening with too much frequency What I found was that the app was not be working suddenly when before all was fine. This kind of "out of the blue" problem seems to be happening repeatedly with some of my app's since I did the panther upgrade over top of my previous Jaguar system. I keep getting small things like this happening My MS word problem the same, why should there be any corruption on files which were installed only a week ago? Trouble shooting is a bit more difficult I guess because I was so OS 9 proficient, but this is a new beast, this OS X. anyway thanks for responding. tim tim.molnar Digital Tao http://www.digitaltao.ca Victoria: 250.721.3224 (currently) Regina: 306.585.3666 Cell: 250.661.6426 tam at em.ca