well, i got a 'old' TiBook g4 400 as well ... with only 384mb ram .... usually open are safari, mail, itunes, bittorrent, fire and other little stuff ... occassionally photoshop and golive.... the ram of 384mb is (of course) way not enough - did i mention i run panther? i get a complete system freeze maybe once or twice a year .... safari gives me the spinning wheel ... but only on certain homepages or after too long uptime of the app .... then a quit and restart of safari does the job for me .... i installed menumeters on my mac, to check the bandwith output ... also cpu rate and memory is in there .... VERY interesting for me to see .... if it reaches a certain level i know i have to restart safari and voilà there is more RAM again .... i can't understand why they still have issues with memory loss in safari ... is it just badly written? i don't know (don't know much about writing apps) the mentioned problem of freezing/hanging so often is sad and i can luckily say that i don't have that prob ..... luckily, because panther is probably the last os on this mac =) On Jul 14, 2004, at 5:05 AM, Lisbeth Zachs wrote: > 2004-07-13 kl. 16.04 skrev Paul Russell: > >> upgraded to 10.3.4 and Java 1.4.2 again and now the freezes are >> back. Typically they happen in Safari so I'm wondering whether it's >> Java 1.4.2 or OS X 10.3.4 that's the culprit (moral of the story: >> when debugging only change one thing at a time). One other thing I >> notice with 10.3.4 is that Safari will often "hang" until I move the >> mouse > ----------- > I have had to sent in a few reports to Apple since 10.3.4 and Java > 1.4.2 but I'm prefer Camino and since I installed their update 0.8 > about the same time I thought sometimes Camino was the culprit. > Usually I don't get total freeze, though it happens, but Camino or > Safari (use for certain sites) craches and occationally can't be > restarted without me restarting the whole Ti 400/ 768Mb/40Gb HD. > > Sometimes a forced restart of Finder will be enough to get things > working again but I can sence that something is a bit funny until I do > a proper restart. > > Had a little bit of similar fuss in the beginning of 10.3.2 (?) but > that got better with the security updates. In the same time I' aware > of that I haven't done a clean install since I bought the Ti in > 2002(?). Even when I istalled the new 40 HD I only made a CarbonCopy > from the old 10 HD, so I feel I have no right to complain unless I do > that first. > > Thought I let you know that you not entirely alone. :-) I carefully do > all repair stuff before and after updates and don't think I have > anything added that could do something to the system. Certainly not > having anything not ordinary running when the problem occurs. > > Can make my Ti very unhappy however by having iPhoto, PhotoShop > Elements, GraphicConverter running at the same times as 2 or 3 > browsers plus Mail and Texthandler. An hour or so in to that load one > or the other or Finder itself will complain and need a forced close > and after saving the rest a restart. But that i accept as limitations > to a now old (*patting it kindly*) Tibook. > > Lisbeth in Gothenburg > ost.shtml >