Is it just me, or is 10.3.9 the worst update ever? :-) It took me quite a bit of effort just to get Safari 1.3 to work (re-installing the Java updates and security updates and finally re-installing Safari using Pacifist). New Java patch today. Yesterday (may have been a freak) I had endless 'hanging disconnect' combined with being unable to dialup (although that seems fine today!). Today I have had Virtual PC6 (I moved back to VPC6 sometime ago because it is so stable, compared to what has happened now that M$T has started to get involved...) quit. Stuffit expander also Quit (never seen that.....). Overall, I get the feeling that 10.3.9 has not helped one iota in terms of stability. How does everyone else feel? TREVOR