On 22 Sep 2005, at 02:37, Chris Olson wrote: > Apple needs to advertise. I mean, go to Apple's website right > now and what do you see on the front page? The iPod nano. Chris - first, thanks for that info about the Lenovo hZ60t Widescreen titanium notebook. Pretty impressive, incredible price. Although when I looked in detail at the site, I do not see much difference when we compare like with like/same specification. I agree with your point about advertising. Advertising and education, I think are needed. If YOU think there is little advertising, and you are in the 'home country', imagine how it is elsewhere. Here in Saudi Arabia, there is a new generation of Saudis who know practically nothing about Apple. I had one student, who in his spare time runs a computer shop, who asked me what my laptop was. I said look at the (Apple) logo. It meant nothing to hin ! I have only found one student at the College who has an iPod, and 1 member of staff. iPod is unknown to more than 99.9% of the people. Only the Media Centre have a (G5) Mac for publishing work. A junior staff member came to me the other day and said he wanted some advice about buying a laptop. He showed me a price list with a Dell 15..4" screen and all the bells and whistles (Bluetooth, wireless, long battery life) for at least $700 cheaper than the equivalent Powerbook. I could muster no arguments as to why this was not the best option for him. I was in the IT Department this week at the College and looked at their standard textbook on "Operating Systems". Not even a mention of Apple or Mac anywhere. Talk about monopoly ! Most people here (> 99%) don't even know there is a choice or an alternative. So I come somewhat reluctantly to the same conclusions as you, that more advertising and communication is need (bring back the evangelists), serious re-design is needed to cut out costs, margins have to move down, prices have to move down. The Lenovo machine may have broken the paradigm of cheap and nasty. Well designed and cheap seems a new market segment that previously never exised. I predict it is on a growth track. I think that it is unrealistic to expect that Mac-OSX-for-Intel will stay on Apple hardware. I believe that there will be a huge driving force to make it run on 1/2 price (Dell, Lenovo) laptops. This force will at least activate hackers, but probably will be strong enough to drive Apple policy, even if reluctantly. We are at a very interesting juncture in the development of the laptop. In my recent proposals for a new building (2y out) at the College, I wrote that all staff should have wireless laptops. More than half the desk-space in every office here is taken over with huge ugly old CRT monitors, big boxes, thick cables and clunky keyboards (all this from new HP/Compaq PCs running XP). My laptop is the same screen size, far better resolution and only a tiny footprint, and a pleasure to work with. But will those laptops be Macs or Lenovo ? Interesting question. Myself, I know that I could not achieve the productivity I have with my Al-book, Mac OS X and Keynote® with a cheap PC laptop. How much is it worth to me? Probably a lot. But for those who are not power-users? Maybe the advantages are worth much less, and the new well-designed-and-cheap laptop may scoop some people. regards, Trevor