On Saturday, August 23, 2003, at 07:55 AM, Florin Alexander Neumann wrote: > Randy offers the cool voice of reason and common sense, but I think > he's still somewhat naive. The chief reason for absence of Mac viruses > is neither better security, nor a better quality of users. It's simply > that Apple has less than 5% of the market share, and that less than 5% > percent is not in any crucial area. This is probably the #1 PC user's wisdom on virus distribution. It makes sense, but its not right. Its not even a logically sound argument. I'm not talking so much about this specific post, but this line of reasoning in a global sense. I'm sure we've all heard it dozens of times. The first step of this argument is to assert that Unix/Macs are no more secure that PCs - yet no evidence whatever is offered for that. The argument then points out that virus writers want to be famous, and offers evidence that attacking Unix/Mac systems will not provide the fame that virus writers want. The argument distracts you away from its primary unsubstantiated point with a secondary issue. The appeal of the idea that "virus writers want notoriety" distracts you from the fact that "Macs are not more secure than PCs" is just a bald unsubstantiated assertion. There are two problems with this. First, anything that explains a widespread phenomena using group psychology is questionable. Are we to think that no virus writer has ever had the motivation to knock the smiles off these arrogant Mac users who don't even *have* virus protection? Second - a widespread Mac virus would certainly attract big press. If the Mac were as good for viruses as the PC, one good virus should be able to cripple a substantial portion of Mac users. And given the way the press likes to pounce on any Apple foible, that would certainly be huge headlines. If you look at virus propagation methods on the two platforms, its obvious the two systems are not equivalent with regard to providing ways to spread viruses. Mac users have opened themselves up to this argument by saying that the absence of viruses shows that the Mac is more secure, which is a bad argument for the same reason. The way to prove which system is more secure (or more securable) is to look at the consistency of design and the kinds of tasks a typical administrator must perform to make and keep the system secure. If you compare the PC and Unix/Mac, you can see why security (and *all* maintenance and administration tasks) will always be more of a headache for Windows. Of course, the average person doesn't have fiirst hand knowledge of this stuff. They have to rely on experts to tell them the answer. And since most of the "experts" are PC users, the subject will always be controversial. SR