--On Wednesday, June 16, 2004 04:00 PM -0500 luke <etyrnal at ameritech.net> wrote: > what if it's a machine that needs to STAY UP? > > one that maybe can't be shut down 'willy nilly' .. I've tried the kill <pid of loginwindow proccess> and that logs them out without affecting other logged in users or system processes. But it sometimes leaves the screen blank (plain blue) with a moveable curser, and doesn't reliably give back the main login window. -- Dennis Fazio dfz at mac.com