PoolMouse said: >(although one or two people >obviously spend a lot of time googling for answers to posts and >advertising their osx books). ;) Yes "Pool", it must really aggravate a troll such as yourself that there are folks who will go out of their way to help others here and elsewhere, when you can't ever be legitmately helpful yourself. It must be frustrating for you to know that you can only bring attention to yourself by being a jerk. By the way, I have no books to sell currently, and my Web sites are free and I derive no income from them. What have you done for the Macintosh community? Randy B. Singer Co-Author of: The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th and 6th editions) There is always one more imbecile than you counted on.