Your problem may not be software related. It is possible that your PRAM battery in your older G4 finally died during your 2 week absents from the office and when you rebooted the PRAM (which had lost all its info) can't even tell your system where to start POST diagnostics (which is what's happening during that grey screen you see during a power on boot). Replace your (or at least check it) 3.6 volt PRAM battery and see if that does it... Doug On 6/27/05 1:29 PM, "Kansas Territory" <kansast at mac.com> wrote: > PowerMac G4/450 has been running fine for years, update after update. > I haven't been into the office in a couple of weeks.. however when I > showed up, the computer was running fine. With a list of updates in > the software update control panel that it wanted to install. > > I was running OSX10.4 one of the updates it wanted to install > was 10.4.1 , also a quicktime update, I think a security update ? > and maybe an iTunes update .. anyway I told them all to install. > installation finished, asked if I wanted to restart. I clicked > restart. now the computer just gets to a gray screen with the Apple > logo in the middle, and never progresses beyond that. > > I tried restarting it.. i've tried completely shutting it down, and > then start. Never gets past this gray screen with the apple logo. > > I tried starting up with the "s" key held down.. I thought this would > start it in simple mode or what ever it's called. but that did > nothing, same gray screen. > > Any suggestions ? ! > > > Kansast