oh, brother...yes, '4%' does have meaning, but I'm pretty sure you know the sense in which I meant "no meaning." Let's say you're going for a job and you're told that your pay will be 4%. First thing you'd ask, if you had any sense, would be "4% OF what??" Person hiring you says, "No..just 4%. But rest assured, because 4% is always 4/100, or 0.04. So...when do you start?" So, there's your meaning. You know you're being hired for 4%. But until you know what it's 4% OF, the meaning isn't specific enough for you to sign on. It could be 4% of the company's gross, 4% of the CEO's income, 4% of what your secretary makes, or 4% of the cost of urinal cakes in the mens' room. A percent can be thought of as a formula or as an operator. Yes, it has a definition, but until or unless you know what it's operating on, you don't have specific value. nk On Nov 27, 2005, at 10:27 PM, Steve Self wrote: > However, 4% does have meaning, it is a small amount of something. > It clearly does not have integer meaning, but meaning nonetheless. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20051128/35197334/attachment.html