The discussion about using Services to give TextEdit a word count service got me looking. I found that I no longer have a Services menu in TextEdit. Looking further, I found that the only Apple application I can find that has a services menu is iTunes. I do not know when I lost the Services menus. I have services menus in all non-Apple applications I have viewed (about 10). To try to solve it, I did the following: 1. Logged in as a different user. The Services menus WERE present as a different user 2. In my account, ran Cocktail in full and rebooted. 3. Took my entire ~/Library/Preferences file out of the Library to the desktop and rebooted. Nothing has restored Services to any of my Apple applications in my user account. Day before yesterday I installed the latest Developer Tools. I don't know if that is related, but it is a change so I mention it. I can't find comments about this in Googling the topic. Does anyone have an idea what might have made my Services go away for Apple applications, or have an idea of how I might proceed in debugging it? Daly ----------------------