>But if you want a full backup program, not a clone program, you are >barking up the wrong tree. Damn it. This thread misses a whole lot. OS neXt, as promised by Steve, is UNIX based. UNIX has had backup capabilities that far outperform anything offered in the for-pay world and the stuff is just plain free. rsnych, cp, mv, perl, cpMac and a whole lot more are delivered with OS neXt and they are open-source programs that you can probably use as is, but if not, you, by yourself, can change them as you like. Yes. It takes a bit of time to learn about the Mac and its UNIX side but it's a bunch easier to do that than to spend your time complaining about how others do it for you for $$$. Get thee into Terminal.app or a BBEdit worksheet and have a look at the man pages for those tools. They can and will do what you want the way you want it but you have to take the time to learn about them. Personally I like to maintain a file with the fully specified paths of the files I want to protect. A perl script that I write and modify as I go along, reads the file and compares dates with the backup disk. If they have been changed the backups get updated. Actually I am now using a scheme, in perl, that doesn't replace anything in the backup disk but adds a copy of the current file with the current date added to the filename. I figure that I'll go through the backup once in a while and clean out old stuff. Alright, I confess, that script runs on ubuntu but it would work fine on OS 10.3.9 which is as far as I can go with my G4 sawtooth and my SE/30 file server. And. . . I do not attempt to save operating system and application files. They are replaceable and the worst that can happen is that preference files might have to be rebuilt. Of course I have bootable disks for recovery but they are the ones from Apple. It's my own data that needs to be protected! In short. UNIX is your friend. Steve said so. UNIX requires the command line but this entire thread would be zero length if everyone took the time to learn. -- -> Stocks are getting pelloreid <-