If Apple charges for the apps, they'll just be killing more and more of that loyal user base they seem to think will stick with them forever. Apple has been doing this since 7.5, and the more we go along, the more they are to the point where I look at their tactics like those of MS. I have not used the i-Apps enough to make them worth the price of upgrade. I also find that if I were to pay for them, I would expect a lot more than I am currently seeing, which are glorified shareware programs. I'd prefer to support the third party applications that carried all of the features that I need. If this is Apple's plan for making money, I'd prefer they work at getting a good, fully functioning version of OS X before they screw around with the add-ons. AL -- _________________________________________________________ Albert L. Lilly III - mailto:alilly at scican.net Trumpeter, Brass Clinician, Arranger and Composer Calendar Editor, International Trumpet Guild http://www.trumpetguild.org Centennial Brass home page - http://www.scican.net/~alilly/centbrs.html Lilly Music Services - http://www.scican.net/~alilly/engr.html Personal home page - http://www.scican.net/~alilly/alilly.html _________________________________________________________